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Re: Ban Previous Cheaters

Postby nvz » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:40 pm

I will admit that I'm partially at fault for starting the whole pointing fingers at a few players cheating thing we have going on. Apologies to the community for causing some drama but....

If you are cheating, stop now. It's not cool! Please play fair with us and we will have fun. It's impossible to stop all hackers from playing but just a fair warning we will ban you from the pug channel and future touraments if you are caught with proper evidence.

Moderator please close this thread. Everyone have a nice day!
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Re: Ban Previous Cheaters

Postby pb » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:52 pm

Post the video with the player names redacted. Send me the video and I'll just black bar out the kill feed and name, it would take literally 5 minutes.
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Re: Ban Previous Cheaters

Postby FALLACY » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:53 pm

reflex wrote:records 6 slow-mo videos of a standard 60 tickrate minigun kill with his phone because shadowplay is too complicated (1 2 3 4 5 6)


Everyone knows that standard policy for cell phone recorded clips at Ownedwell must be done with a blackberry. These are unacceptable.
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Re: Ban Previous Cheaters

Postby kevinsan1ty » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:47 pm

Cheat bans should go all the way back to game genie imo
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Re: Ban Previous Cheaters

Postby facial` » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:04 pm

kevinsan1ty wrote:Cheat bans should go all the way back to game genie imo


The "Konami Code" is cheating. So everyone can get banned now. Fucking scumbag cheeters.
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Re: Ban Previous Cheaters

Postby PACO » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:13 pm

nvz wrote:Okay guys for our next showmatch/pay per view we are going to bring the viewers the GRUDGE match they want right now.


REFLEX vs GS3K


YOU'RE BANNED MATCH!
LOSER IS BANNED FROM #UT4PUGS, FUTURE TOURNAMENTS AND UT/OWNED WELL FORUMS.

We are looking to run showmatches, not public executions since we all know what the outcome would be. A few posts caught my attention so I figured I would take the time to address some topics while this thread is still open.

GS3k wrote:I tested out an aimbot in 2k* so I knew what I was looking for as far as wall hacks and aim angles and the like. That's how I know that a cheat will mess with your netcode and what type of odd mouse movement to look for. I did it for about 2-3 games then I deleted it because I had learned pretty much everything I felt I was going to.

The quotes from ProU contradict this statement however going under the assumption that this is your rationale, I would like to take the time to clarify the OwnedWell stance on this subject. It is not the first time that I have seen someone mention this scenario. If you test cheats out on single player or a server that YOU OWN where players connected are aware of WHAT YOU ARE DOING, then you will not incur the wrath of the OwnedWell admin team. If you go out into the wild and get logged or discovered, your goose will likely be cooked.

Cheating in a pug, with or without permission and adversely affecting the experience of the opposition while doing unsanctioned cheat testing is not a justification for using cheats. There is nothing that you could have learned by testing it in a pug that you couldn't have learned by testing it on bots or with a friend. This is all obviously ancient history and GS3K is clearly an upper-echelon gamer without any extra assistance.

clankiller wrote:i just watched something lately that was posted that showed me 100% that person is full of shit and i actually liked that person so...

The next comment that I'll take a chip at is this one. What clip did you see that has you 100% certain that a player is full of shit? I have watched thousands of clips and over a hundred demos and very rarely could I say that I saw something 100%. People do some crazy shit and experts can be wrong. I look to use facts/math/additional proof when deciding whether to ban or unban someone.

Look at flusha in the CS:GO scene. The lynch mob wanted his head for some RIDICULOUS clips which honestly have me questioning his legitimacy. Take a look at ESL/ESEA/Dreamhack and every other big organization that is running LANs and offering big money for prizes. Did any of them ban him despite the outcry? No. Is it very possible that he could have cheated? Yes. But a situation like this is extremely difficult and you can't go around smearing someone's gaming reputation unless you exceed a threshold of near certainty.

Another point that I would like to discuss is spectating and demos. What you see as a spectator is not necessarily the same or even close to what is happening on the clients screen. In UT99 it was extremely inaccurate however a coder named Higor actually made an accurate spec tool. Serverside demos were inaccurate and even client demos had some major inaccuracies and replication issues. These are all things to consider. Has anyone compared a shadowplay recording side by side to a spectator recording or a demo? These are important things to consider and look into before even considering anything as proof.

kud wrote:truth. dealing with cheaters in previous ut's was a headache since there were always ex-cheaters to point at. just perm ban from these competitions


My natural instinct is to agree with this idea but if you lock them up and throw away the key, you lose all leverage in trying to control/rehabilitate them. If they alias while permabanned, there is no risk of losing anything if they are caught. If they alias when there is light at the end of the tunnel, they risk extending the tunnel. I think that something like an 18 month pickup ban and 36 month competitive ban is reasonable. I also think that if a returning player is highly suspicious, admins can use their discretion and withhold the individual from competitive play. None of this paragraph is official, I'm just spitballing some stuff that I think is reasonable.

I would also like to thank everyone who prefaced their skull cracking by saying that they won't turn this into a prou thread because they respect my wishes. It has been like someone saying no offense but you're ugly but instead you are saying that you respect me which appeals to my inner-vanity. Who gave out my scouting report to the new guys?
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Re: Ban Previous Cheaters

Postby Darth|UA| » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:29 pm

Penalties should be really stiff for cheaters to help deter people from even thinking about cheating. I like the 18 month / 36 month idea. That is pretty stiff, but sadly it won't deter everyone. I also think that if you have been caught in any previous UT in that 18 month / 36 month window, you should still be banned for UT4 until that window is up. I'm all for second chances, but I also think you need to serve your time. Cheating ruins it for everyone and should not be shown mercy. The idea of randomly uploading screenshots from players screens is a great idea too. Just have them upload after the match because some people like me are still on very shitty connections :P

Also, if you have suspicion of a player, try to gather as much evidence before coming forward because as soon as you come forward, the person that may be cheating is going to most likely stop (unless they are extra dumb) and it will be very hard to get the evidence after a player has been outed.

Lastly, if you know someone is cheating, even if it is your friend, let us know. You are only facilitating cheating by helping keep it covered up. If you don't want to publicly do it, PM an admin and let them gather evidence behind the scenes. Admins should also keep anonymity to help encourage people to report cheaters that they may be friends with.

We will never have a 100% cheat free community, but we as a community have to make it known we will not tolerate it and put our foot down. BUT we also have to have high standards for deeming someone has cheated and not turn the community into witch hunts that are everlasting. Just accusing cheaters all the time turns you into the boy who cried wolf. Gather evidence and make sure you have a strong case before coming forth, as this will only help the case against the cheaters, as well as help the credibility of the person coming forward.
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Re: Ban Previous Cheaters

Postby Fusion » Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:17 pm

Okay so I've been debating in my head whether or not I should chime in and make my bi-yearly Unreal Tournament forum post so what the hell here it goes. I just want to clear up some lies and rumors that have been circulating around this thread. One night myself, Xios and Gangja (tco.dub, GS3K or whatever else he is calling himself now a days) were in a tam pub playing together on Teamspeak. Ganja was talking about how he had acquired a helios 2.0 wallhack/aimbot (definitely not from shackle that's a straight out lie) and how he wanted to "test it out". So I said fuck it. I had been playing against cheaters my entire UT2004 career and at that point (2012?) I just really didn't care; as all of the competition had been long gone. So he e-mailed me a copy of the helios 2.0 and we played with it on a tam pub for a few hours. I used the wallhack for maybe 3 days and tbh got really bored as it took the edge off UT. Never once had I used Helios 2.0 or any hack for that matter in any competitive situation (CTF Tournament, Scrim, Match, PUG) and I don't really care if anyone else believes me or not. I was playing for horizon/gryffindor/<cursives other team name here> for years at the top of the ladders while GANJA had been tco.dub. A tam player nobody knew or cared to know. When he says " I did it for about 2-3 games then I deleted it because I had learned pretty much everything I felt I was going to." I know for a fact that it is complete utter bullshit. The whole knell incident was months later. How do I know? I was in the pug. I was playing defense with knell. I got botted myself. Ganja got mad because he was getting his poop pushed in and since he thought knell and I were cheating (shocker) he decided to rage hack, and shoot 90% shock primary the rest of the game. The fact that he says "It was between me and knell" is also bullshit because there was 8 other players in the PUG that were fucked over too. I remember distinctly, after the PUG was over everyone from the PUG joined the same Teamspeak channel and I told everyone there what I am telling everyone with this forum post. Lo and behold Ganja had no words and muted himself and left Teamspeak. I just think it's comically ironic that none other than the lord of cheat accusations himself, is someone who cheated in a competitive environment and is now starting forum threads about banning cheaters. I won't be posting anymore replies to this thread, I just felt that everyone should know the truth about this two-faced liar who thinks he can just change his internet handle and his dogshit personality will change with it. If changing his handle is his way of trying to start over and earn respect and credibility, I suggest he find a different community. He lost any chance at that in this community years ago. Have a wonderful day boys. Cheers :}
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Re: Ban Previous Cheaters

Postby clankiller » Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:00 pm

PACO wrote:


clankiller wrote:i just watched something lately that was posted that showed me 100% that person is full of shit and i actually liked that person so...

The next comment that I'll take a chip at is this one. What clip did you see that has you 100% certain that a player is full of shit? I have watched thousands of clips and over a hundred demos and very rarely could I say that I saw something 100%. People do some crazy shit and experts can be wrong. I look to use facts/math/additional proof when deciding whether to ban or unban someone.



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you can say what you like paco but at 8.28 of that video was laughable. whats funny is that someone spent some of his time to do some pretty good investigating and make a 30min video showing what he believes is a cheat. i am not saying everything in the video is proof but that one part was as i said full of shit! that was 120fps clientside demo and if that is looked at as perfectly normal then gaming has come to an end for me... you saw this post and moved it so i assume you think its all tickadyboo..

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Re: Ban Previous Cheaters

Postby PACO » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:02 pm

clankiller wrote:
PACO wrote:


clankiller wrote:i just watched something lately that was posted that showed me 100% that person is full of shit and i actually liked that person so...

The next comment that I'll take a chip at is this one. What clip did you see that has you 100% certain that a player is full of shit? I have watched thousands of clips and over a hundred demos and very rarely could I say that I saw something 100%. People do some crazy shit and experts can be wrong. I look to use facts/math/additional proof when deciding whether to ban or unban someone.



viewtopic.php?f=2&t=927#p12726

you can say what you like paco but at 8.28 of that video was laughable. whats funny is that someone spent some of his time to do some pretty good investigating and make a 30min video showing what he believes is a cheat. i am not saying everything in the video is proof but that one part was as i said full of shit! that was 120fps clientside demo and if that is looked at as perfectly normal then gaming has come to an end for me... you saw this post and moved it so i assume you think its all tickadyboo..

CK..

I watched some and didn't agree with a lot of it. If I remember correctly, the individual was strafing at the same time in that sequence which explained why the CH was moving in the same direction. You could be citing another incident but since the video is private, I can't be certain. For what it's worth, I don't trust Supreme and several other players but I'm not going to let my emotions dictate whether I think something is sufficient evidence to ban someone for cheating. Not tickadyboo and not a silver bullet either.

I think this thread has run it's course. Looking forward to the next one.
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